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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 10, 2007 2:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Good morning!

Seeing that heading I was almost expecting to find a Hawkwind post! Fortunately I found something more interesting.

I really can’t agree with Silberman, that everything had to be in place for the ‘great thing’ to happen. I was never fortunate to attend that many Grateful Dead shows but I know that when the special moments came for me I was oblivious to my surroundings. I didn’t give two hoots what anyone else was doing. They were distractions to be ignored. The band and I were in lockstep, our thoughts attuned, them giving me not what I wanted but what they knew I needed, right here, right now. Or so it seemed.

And the best moments were the unexpected ones, when, yes, they transcended your platonic ideal of how a song should be by doing something you just never thought of and making this new thing seem fundamentally right.

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Oct 10, 2007 4:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Good morning to you Rob!
Hawkwind. Theres a name to stir the old pensieve.
Like you I didn't get the chance to attend many shows but your words, 'them giving me not what I wanted but what they knew I needed', struck a chord because I remember when I first saw them at the 1970 Hollywood Festival, I was all wound up, expecting to fly on the psychedelic jamming a la Live Dead, which we got but we also got the transitional Dead with the songs from Workingman's.
But it wasn't just the excerpt from the interview that I thought was interesting, although if you relate it to the current state of the forum, I think you can draw some parallels, particularly in view of your post. I thought the part 'about how the protected, beautiful and weak child has to be stolen away from the castle of the parents by a "hairy man," and put through certain ordeals in order to come into his own power' might have a certain resonance.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 10, 2007 5:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

I always thought the Robert Bly mythopoetic man stuff was a load of old bollocks myself. I reckon the last part of the Silberman interview offers ripe pickings for Pseuds'Corner. (Yeah, I know, look who's talking eh? :-))

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Oct 10, 2007 6:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Pretentious? moi aussi Rob :¬)

It was the idea of being transformed by the whole experience, including both the dark and the light that appealed to me. People who are experiencing ordeals of one kind or another, can take comfort from the thought that through the pain there can be a positive transformation. I'd love to know what our 'tribal elders' (of whom I deem you one) (or anyone else come to that) think of this.

p.s. Is the IA having server problems today? or is it just me. Taking ages to refresh the page.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 10, 2007 6:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Wow. Never thought of myself as a tribal elder!

I always reckoned this positive transformation through pain thing was pure wishful thinking. Those who embrace suffering in the hopes of a better life here or elsewhere can go right ahead and embrace it without me. On the other hand if a swift kick up the backside is in need of being administered I'm yer man.

And yes - IA is having problems. For long periods yesterday I couldn't get on at all. Personally I reckon richbutnotwealthy and his idiotic repeat postings burned something out ...

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Poster: snori Date: Oct 10, 2007 6:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Hey J.H.

Am I remembering right that you are U.K. as well ? The I.A. seems to have been really slow since yesterday evening for me, don't know if it's the same in the U.S. Anyone ?

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Poster: He Live's Date: Oct 10, 2007 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

couldn't get on at all last night...and that's Pacific Coast time, up till 11pm or so....and slow this morning

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Oct 11, 2007 2:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Morning Rob. I was about to reply to your question yesterday when we had the postus interruptus. A pleasure to make your acqaintance. For my sins, I am also uk resident, originally from north east scotland. Scuse me for being nosey but are you also from north of the border? We obviously share a nostalgic affection for early Hawkwind. I remember having to carry my girlfriend out of one gig when she fainted from sheer sonic overload. However, in the here and now, doom and gloom seems to be the order of the day, although I'm sure the reports of the forum's demise are greatly exaggerated. :¬)
Alan

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Poster: snori Date: Oct 11, 2007 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Hi Alan,

Sorry mate, I'm a Sassenach, though I frequently holiday on the beautiful West Coast of your land. I hadn't read that interview, and as my Dead shows were years apart it took me a while to get the balance right between listening to the band and absorbing the atmosphere of the crowd, which was so different from what I was used to. The whole was greater than the sum of it's parts though.

Rob.

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Poster: snori Date: Oct 10, 2007 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Hey Rob,

I don't know if you saw the 'guilty pleasures' thread a while ago, but I 'fessed up that Hawkwind were mine. Ah, those pre Silver Machine daze, and although I was clearly at an impressionable age the old eyes still moisten ever so slightly if I hear anything from the first eponymous album, which I must admit does have a certain freshness to it even after all this time.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 10, 2007 7:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Snori - I recall seeing Hawkwind play at the Hammersmith Odeon way back when - as I recall they were a right bunch of lunatics. If I were to own up to a guilty pleasure (and really why should we feel guilty?) it would be Blue Oyster Cult - though you probably reckon Hawkwind would kick their arses and steal their lunch money.

:-)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 10, 2007 7:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Snori - I recall seeing Hawkwind play at the Hammersmith Odeon way back when - as I recall they were a right bunch of lunatics. If I were to own up to a guilty pleasure (and really why should we feel guilty?) it would be Blue Oyster Cult - though you probably reckon Hawkwind would kick their arses and steal their lunch money.

:-)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 10, 2007 7:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Agree 100% with you Rob. For me it was a highly personal moment between me and and the band, regardless of what was going on around me. In the best of times it always seemed that the boys were playing just for me, in tune with my thoughts and feelings like they were in my head. This held true always except for the night in Richmond I was vomited on...that kind of made me notice the folks around me.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2007-10-11 02:35:49

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Oct 10, 2007 8:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

yeah, the folks around ye...

I was at a GD show circa 1990 at the Oakland Coliseum indoor arena, tagging along with Jesse Block the video edit man, he likes to move around, check out the scene if he's not anchored to the switch cam stuff.

Over on the left side on the balcony, the Phil rooting section was in full swing... interesting, I'd never noticed them before.

Then a friendly gal came up to me, I couldn't make out what she was saying, but I smiled, this could be the night I half-imagined.

A moment later I turned around to see where she was so I could say something or other, and she was being carried out horizontally by several of her friends, she had passed out or something...


Jesse and I walked around the outer corridor, I saw lots of people doing their own thing, drumming...
so they bring their congas to the show, and play outside the auditorium for the whole set?

OK...

Jesse stops to talk to someone, I just stand there, absently looking at the person next to that person's tie-die t-shirt.

Slowly I look up, at the person's face, making polite eye contact...

and it's my sister, whom I haven't seen in 2 years or so!
We both were just looking around and noticed each other at the same instant.
That was a good laugh!

So, I guess ya gotta notice people around you sometimes...




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Poster: barongsong Date: Oct 11, 2007 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

Wow nice interview-discussion, while I'll agree to disagree it does capture the essence of the scene as a whole in my opinion. Some very insightful perspectives for sure. Sounds like this is an old interview I wonder what if anything the the years have done to confirm or deny. I myself think it's more true than ever but where does the younger generation go to find it now or is it lost?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 10, 2007 8:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Spacedancing at the Edge of Chaos:

But wasn't it worth it for the Gloria?